Comments for Voice of Healing http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:22:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by Christopher L. Colegrove http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-313 Christopher L. Colegrove Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:22:22 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-313 I am skimming through your entries... very insightful stuff. Please post more! :-) Thanks. I am skimming through your entries… very insightful stuff. Please post more! :-) Thanks.

]]> Comment on The Jesus Tomb and its trail of symbols by Christopher L. Colegrove http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/the-jesus-tomb-and-its-tale-of-symbols/#comment-312 Christopher L. Colegrove Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:19:03 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/the-jesus-tomb-and-its-tale-of-symbols/#comment-312 Very interesting article. I agree with the opening... first the "Gospel" of Judas, then the "tombs". For some reason it really gets a rise out of the average person, without them actually realizing its just a flimsy attempt to discredit the Bible. Particularly, I found your site while trying to research the monad, or Illuminati dot within a circle. Interesting how it goes to the Pythagoreans, is found in Masonry, and also can find roots in the Egyptian diety of Ra. Very interesting article. I agree with the opening… first the “Gospel” of Judas, then the “tombs”. For some reason it really gets a rise out of the average person, without them actually realizing its just a flimsy attempt to discredit the Bible. Particularly, I found your site while trying to research the monad, or Illuminati dot within a circle. Interesting how it goes to the Pythagoreans, is found in Masonry, and also can find roots in the Egyptian diety of Ra.

]]> Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by Dave http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-311 Dave Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:25:50 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-311 Salam Jalan! I lived in Malaysia for a few years. Actually, I saw an excellent blog on this topic coming from Indonesia a few years ago. The websie nailed this material but I could not read it as it was in bahasa. I have only a cursory understanding. Remember, not all you see in America is Christian. In fact, I would argue that it is not a Chrisitan country. Salam Salam Jalan! I lived in Malaysia for a few years. Actually, I saw an excellent blog on this topic coming from Indonesia a few years ago. The websie nailed this material but I could not read it as it was in bahasa. I have only a cursory understanding. Remember, not all you see in America is Christian. In fact, I would argue that it is not a Chrisitan country. Salam

]]> Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by badut http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-310 badut Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:42:25 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-310 Salam, you people are amazing... gambling with your own eternity. I'm from Indonesia, bombs evrywhere but sermon from Jesus is enoungh to fix & cure the world. Salam, you people are amazing… gambling with your own eternity.
I’m from Indonesia, bombs evrywhere but sermon from Jesus is enoungh to fix & cure the world.

]]> Comment on Freemasonry as religion: baptism, and a bread and wine meal by Steve http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/freemasonry-as-religion-baptism-and-a-bread-and-wine-meal/#comment-308 Steve Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:58:35 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=34#comment-308 I realize the thread had gone cold, but I have something to add to the discussion. I appreciated your use of ellipses when quoting Magnum Opus; I rushed to read what you had left out. Following your lead, I will also paraphrase: "... the bread and wine teach us that our Mortal Body is no more WE than the house in which we live, or the garments that we wear; but the Soul is I, the one, identical, unchangeable, immortal emanation from the Deity, to return to God and be forever happy, in His good time; as our mortal bodies, dissolving, return to the elements from which they came, their particles coming and going ever in perpetual genesis." Leaving this section out leads one to the conclusion that Masons are taught that the soul is nothing more than a sort of "force" they dissolve into when their body dies. In fact, before a man can become a Mason he must affirm his belief in the immortality of the soul. More importantly, earlier in the degree, is written: "Masonically we know not whether you be Christian, Jew or Moslem. We have no right to ask. If you be Christian, you will see in this...a Christian ceremony; and so you have the right to regard and interpret it: Your Brethren will respect your faith, as they have a right to demand that you shall respect theirs." The eucharist is presented as a symbol worthy of refection. Not as a sacrament. The Scottish Rite contemplates many such symbols in multiple historical and religious contexts, of which, its newest members may not have been previously aware. By examining the relationships among similar religious symbolism of other faiths, whether extant or extinct, a Scottish Rite Mason is better enabled to understand his own religious beliefs. It's no secret that Jesus wasn't the only one who claimed to be the Son of God or that Chrisitanity doesn't hold the patent on the eucharist. Masonry does not require anyone to change their beliefs. It does ask that one respect the beliefs of others. This poses a stumbling block for I realize the thread had gone cold, but I have something to add to the discussion.

I appreciated your use of ellipses when quoting Magnum Opus; I rushed to read what you had left out. Following your lead, I will also paraphrase:

“… the bread and wine teach us that our Mortal Body is no more WE than the house in which we live, or the garments that we wear; but the Soul is I, the one, identical, unchangeable, immortal emanation from the Deity, to return to God and be forever happy, in His good time; as our mortal bodies, dissolving, return to the elements from which they came, their particles coming and going ever in perpetual genesis.”

Leaving this section out leads one to the conclusion that Masons are taught that the soul is nothing more than a sort of “force” they dissolve into when their body dies. In fact, before a man can become a Mason he must affirm his belief in the immortality of the soul.

More importantly, earlier in the degree, is written:

“Masonically we know not whether you be Christian, Jew or Moslem. We have no right to ask. If you be Christian, you will see in this…a Christian ceremony; and so you have the right to regard and interpret it: Your Brethren will respect your faith, as they have a right to demand that you shall respect theirs.”

The eucharist is presented as a symbol worthy of refection. Not as a sacrament. The Scottish Rite contemplates many such symbols in multiple historical and religious contexts, of which, its newest members may not have been previously aware. By examining the relationships among similar religious symbolism of other faiths, whether extant or extinct, a Scottish Rite Mason is better enabled to understand his own religious beliefs. It’s no secret that Jesus wasn’t the only one who claimed to be the Son of God or that Chrisitanity doesn’t hold the patent on the eucharist.

Masonry does not require anyone to change their beliefs. It does ask that one respect the beliefs of others. This poses a stumbling block for

]]> Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by kelechi http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-307 kelechi Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:19:38 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-307 I HATE PEOPLE COMMENTING ON WHAT THEY DONT KNOW!! IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FREEMASONRY, THE BEST PLACE TO MAKE ENQUIRY IS IN A LODGE OR THROUGH A MASON. YOU GUYS SHOULD FORGET ABOUT COMMENTING ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABT. I HATE PEOPLE COMMENTING ON WHAT THEY DONT KNOW!!
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FREEMASONRY, THE BEST PLACE TO MAKE ENQUIRY IS IN A LODGE OR THROUGH A MASON.

YOU GUYS SHOULD FORGET ABOUT COMMENTING ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABT.

]]> Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by Avertedd http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-306 Avertedd Tue, 26 May 2009 06:45:22 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-306 Помнится, кто-то выкладывал фотки… Помнится, кто-то выкладывал фотки…

]]> Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by Ferinannnd http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-305 Ferinannnd Sun, 24 May 2009 17:22:55 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-305 не информативно как- то не информативно как- то

]]> Comment on The Jesus Tomb and its trail of symbols by joe55a http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/the-jesus-tomb-and-its-tale-of-symbols/#comment-294 joe55a Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:12:11 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/the-jesus-tomb-and-its-tale-of-symbols/#comment-294 Happy Easter Happy Easter

]]> Comment on John Quincy Adams: violence in the oaths of Freemasonry by davidjanssen http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-quincy-adams-and-the-violent-oaths-of-freemasonry/#comment-293 davidjanssen Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:10:06 +0000 http://davidjanssen.wordpress.com/?p=37#comment-293 Actually, there may be issues with the groups you have mentioned. I am not involved in any of them, and I probably would not be for the possible reasons you have mentioned. However, I am not as concerned with an organization having secrets, but rather oaths and secrets that are of a violent nature, as Adams suggests. I know that the 1st degree of Freemasonry asks a recruit to swear to keep secrets of which their nature is an unknown. I agree with Adams....are the vows so majestic, so awe-inspiring in themselves...that the violence espouced in them cannot be removed? Why can't they be removed? Why are they so precious? I know the words, and the violence is not needed. Actually, there may be issues with the groups you have mentioned. I am not involved in any of them, and I probably would not be for the possible reasons you have mentioned. However, I am not as concerned with an organization having secrets, but rather oaths and secrets that are of a violent nature, as Adams suggests. I know that the 1st degree of Freemasonry asks a recruit to swear to keep secrets of which their nature is an unknown. I agree with Adams….are the vows so majestic, so awe-inspiring in themselves…that the violence espouced in them cannot be removed? Why can’t they be removed? Why are they so precious? I know the words, and the violence is not needed.

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